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I just wanted to post back and say that I truly did not mean that comment directly at the Mrs. After I typed out my comment which, yes, was stirred initially by what you wrote, but also based on my own personal experiences and discussions with others, I went "Oh crap, that sounds really mean." Hence me putting the no offense. I have no doubt that as you said later different people bring different baggage. Obviously dealing with a real life issue would temper her ability to want to see that even in a fictional matter. I do not myself dig out spoilers for movies I see either, but there are exceptions. I am not a fan of the so - called torture porn, and I also have a strong distaste for certain "realistic" scenes. I have issues with Cannibal Holocaust because of the purported use of real living animals. I would have went out to the lobby or the car had that shown, no because I couldn't handle the gore etc, but because I've had experience with that, and there's no reason for that to go on or be filmed. When I read on here that Serbian was being considered, I'd never heard of it, after reading the turmoil it was causing here on the boards, I went to search out just how bad it was. So yes I was aware beforehand of the acts involving -fake- children. I also told my husband, and offered repeatedly during the thon, the option to him to go to the car, etc. He chose to stay, as did I. So no, I really did not mean the Mrs. Aeinhorn has no way to differ fact from fiction, or is a wuss, etc. Like I said I typed out what I did based on many different things, just one of which was that post. I truly didn't want to go back and reword everything I'd written and be more pc, my own fault. But, sincerely my apologies to her, I never intended her offense. My own experience is often with people - from the area I live in - with little tolerance and open - mindedness. So I'm always a bit put off when people cry censor, in anyway, you did not cry censor obviously. The recent posts from this forum and elsewhere all came into play when I said what i did. So enough rambling, hopefully I'm forgiven. After all - can't we all just get along? :D


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Ok, one last thing, and then I'm done I swear. I just wanted to add, that I love adore the marathons, and Joe & Bruce for dealing with it all. I would hate to think that one movie would ruin that for anyone, and I sincerely hope it doesn't turn us all against each other. I would go to the marathon regardless of what played. I logged off of here and went and did some other things and on the net, and felt seriously terrible that I had offended someone - someone I've never even met, or at least not knowingly. I love the "brotherhood" of the thons, and like I said I'd hate to think one measly movie, regardless how controversial could possibly ruin any of that.


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I've been processing my thoughts on A Serbian Film for a few days now and I think it all boils down to this:

I didn't need to see what the director put on film to know that the powerful abuse and corrupt the weak.

I respect the movie and still absolutely defend the decision to show it, but ultimately don't think the means justified the end.

I read the interview Joe posted and that just affirmed my thoughts. I just don't believe it when a director who makes a shocking movie says that he didn't intend to make a shocking movie, as he does. His justifications for his metaphor seemed to shift too -- is Vukmir an artist or exploiter? I think he comes across as both, but I'm not sure those ideas go together.

It's muddled for me and when your content is what it is in this case, then I'd hope for something a little more clear and profound than what we got.

To stick with the examples of recent years, Irreversible absolutely gives you (well, me) an emotional and intellectual payoff that justifies the violence depicted. Martyrs, I don't think, did. I don't think A Serbian Film quite does either.

I'll admit though that I have a bias. This has almost always been my feeling about anything from the "torture porn" sub-genre whose filmmakers like to equate their movies to bigger metaphors about governments, war, torture, etc. and those explanations always fall a bit flat to me when I see the product on the screen.

Maybe I'm missing the forest for the artfully-gouged eyes? I can certainly concede that.

In a weird way, I'd almost prefer a gore-fest about nothing. That's one of the attributes of the first Human Centipede in my opinion. Tom Six, best as I know, didn't portray his movie as anything other than what it is.

When I watch Hostel or Martyrs or A Serbian Film, I always feel like the filmmaker is being ... dishonest. They say there is a message, but I can't help but imagine them behind closed doors giggling about what they were able to get away with.

There's my baggage. :)


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Not that I really want to get into this again... but I just want to say that people shouldn't judge the marathons on one film. You are all entitled to your opinions on the film and its content, but I do hope that people will not avoid the marathons from now on based on one film that showed this year. Certainly every film that shows at the marathon is not as extreme as A Serbian Film or anywhere near it. Please don't judge the horror marathon as a whole based on one film.

For what it's worth, I don't think this is "the future of horror" as one person suggested. I think the so-called "torture porn" films are on their way out, and people really want to be scared again, as the success of Insidious and the Paranormal Activity films have shown (regardless of what your opinion of those films might be). But if you know film history, there have always been filmmakers who push the boundaries with the intention of shocking and disturbing the audience. I don't think any film will ever top this one as far as shocking and disturbing material goes, so I wouldn't worry about seeing something that goes that far ever again. There's a reason this film is still banned in four countries and has barely been released in this one. Very few films are that notorious. I hope you will all come back next year and see something completely different. It's OK not to like the film, just please don't blame Joe or the marathon so much that you refuse to come back.


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Gimme a break! In all the years of going to the marathon(every single marathon since 1987)I have never seen such a bunch of weak,little crybabies. Now people are not even going to go anymore because of ONE FILM! Did you forget you were going to a HORROR marathon!? Did Joe not warn you many times over? Did you not have the option to get up and leave or were you strapped to the seat? Have all the years of watching filtered,bland crap like Buffy and Angel on TV not prepare you for real horror? Did you have your spines removed before you entered?
I gotta say even after A Serbian Film people are STILL whining about it. No one forced you at gunpoint to watch or even have to be there for that movie. You could have easily went to Cowtown Pizza down the street and had some grub or walked around. I have was actually proud that this marathon broke some taboos and forged head first into a gutsy move to play this notorious film and I give it a thumbs up. Like I said before,I actually own the uncut,uncensored DVD(which was obviously a good move since the Amerikan fascists decided to butcher it for the US release)so I have seen this 5 times now and was hoping it would lead to more showings of hardcore/gore films. However,with this outcry by a bunch of thumbsuckers I guess that will never happen and the marathon will sink further into mediocrity. Remember,films like Last House of the Left,Maniac and the original Dawn of the Dead were all panned for their excessiveness but freedom of choice prevailed and the Thought Police didn't have to foist their opinions into it to force censorship. Now it seems the "marathon crowd" is doing their own forced censorship with their constant complaining about 1 film.
Well,I still say keep the marathon bloody as can be(classics and not) and since Marathoid88 won't be coming anymore he should have to change his title to Whinerbaby88.


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There's no reason for the name calling. Saying someone is a "wimp" or not a "real" fan of horror is just as closed minded and ridiculous as saying you will never come back to a marathon because you were appalled by one film in the lineup. If someone truly thinks that the content of A Serbian Film is a representation of how the organizers see the world and they are trying to promote those ideals on the unsuspecting public, then I don't know what to tell you.

It sounds like A Serbian Film certainly served it's function. I don't understand all this chatter about this being a turning point of some sort and this is a direction that the marathons are heading in.

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I agree. Everyone seems to think that because A Serbian Film has been shown that there will be 12 of these type films playing next year. What a crock! There was a large rotation of various types of film this year. Not just A Serbian Film. Mainstream films. Old classics. Italian gore. Japanese body snatchers. Not JUST A Serbian Film. Like my brother always says "Suck it up,walk it off,walk on". People just need to shake it off and get over it. It was just a movie.


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Wow! Looks like I really missed a barn burner of a film here! It's almost got me curious to see it now. Marathoid88, you are overreacting by washing your hands of the marathons forever based on one movie. Seriously, you could have gotten up and left for 2 hours and what would you have missed? A movie you hated anyway. I really hope you reconsider your future at the marathons. I don't think anyone booked this just to disturb you or anyone else. I have a feeling Joe and Bruce had never seen it before and were just going by reputation. A lot of films have reputations for being extra extreme and end up being kind of run-of-the-mill. I had sworn off seeing Irreversible until it played at the marathon. I watched it, and yes it was difficult to watch the rape scene but overall the movie was thoughtful and well made enough to justify its inclusion. But if the rape scene started and averting my eyes wasn't enough, I was free to go into the lobby. I chose not to watch the animal torture of Cannibal Holocaust a few years ago. Don't let one movie ruin the future of marathons for you. I understand if you're skeptical, but at least look to the lineup before issuing a blanket rejection of the marathons at all. And Infra-Kid, stop with the name calling. It's immature and just going to drive people away. I'm sure people could think of a lot of names to call someone who enjoys A Serbian Film so much they've watched it 5 times before it's even been released (seriously, that's disturbing). My big issue with showing films that extreme is that there are still children that attend the marathons. I was 13 when I went o my first one in 1989 and I don't think I could've handled ASF at that age or even now. My friend took her teenage boys to the marathon for the first time this year and I warned them about ASF, so they sat it out. Unfortunately, the boys were so tired when the movie ended, they went home instead of finishing the marathon. Thankfully they loved it and want to return with their friends in the future. Maybe it should have played last, so those diehards could stay and everyone else could get 2 extra hours of sleep.

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Whew....SERBIAN FILM: the gift that keeps on giving to the forum! Let’s see, where to begin….

First things first (and this is something I should address in the Post-Mortem thread as well): I hate the term “torture porn.” Hate it. I get the intention of some who use the term to describe certain films, but it’s one of the biggest misnomers in modern cinema discussion. Pornogrpahy (as defined by the dictionary and the courts) is, in part, intended to titillate, to “arouse sexual excitement in its audience.” Now some flicks that have been tagged as torture porn do seem to fit this definition. I’d be hard pressed not to argue that Hostel 2 (especially in its Bathory-inspired nude blood draining scene) is, in part, attempting to sexually stimulate its audience. But Serbian Film? Irreversible? Martyrs? Anyone who would be sexually excited by these films has some major problems.

And maybe this gets at the heart (or some section of the heart) of this conversation. But I’ll get back to that in a bit.

As I announced at the Marathon, Bruce and I had not seen Serbian Film before this past Saturday. But I, for one, knew about the majority of the money shots (it was hard not to find out some of these things over the past year, especially when the film was hanging around as a possible premiere.) And that knowledge didn’t make viewing the film any easier or more palatable. I was genuinely disturbed by the raw brutality of the graphic violence and sexuality. But those traits alone are not what made Serbian Film an unforgettable film experience for me.

It was the pathos that Spasojevic builds for Milos from the opening scenes, his face a mixed mask of regret for his dwindling financial strength and guilt for his sordid past (which his son is now seeing in graphic form.) It was the humanity that Srdjan Todorovic imbues in him as he struggles with the moral and ethical dilemma that come with that devil’s deal of an offer. It was the strong and believable familial bond that has to be built in order for the descent into hell to truly have its horrible power. I was reminded of Darren Aronofsky’s excellent Requiem for a Dream, which features a final reel as harrowing and emotionally devastating as any I’ve ever seen. The power of that film also lies in characters who you genuinely care for being ultimately annihilated (in that case by their own addictions.) I own this film, but I’ve only watched it a few times because I’m consistently brought to tears by the climax.

I was fairly devastated by Serbian Film, in part because I didn’t know that so much of its climax was told in flashback, or that the bulk of Milos’s sexual rampage is driven by the bull aphrodisiac that he’s shot up with. It’s a brilliant move by Spasojevic, because he essentially taps into one of the oldest and most resonant horror tropes. In fact, after the Marathon, I almost wished we had also booked The Wolf Man, because Serbian Film plays with that same concept: one man’s stark fear at his dark side, a shadow self that is brought to life by means beyond his control. All the regret for his past life that Milos expresses in the beginning of the film, all the confusion he feels when his wife begs him to screw her in the demoralizing way that he screwed his co-stars (a neat reversal of a dramatic situation that usually involves a female porn star), all of the horrible, sub-human acts that he’s hinted at having committed in the past come roaring back to life when he’s under the influence of the drugs. I was reminded of some of the latter day Hulk stories in which Banner loses complete control over his green-skinned alter ego, who in turn becomes an uncontrollable vessel of destruction.

Simply put, it’s man’s greatest fear: that no matter how hard we try to be good, no matter how strenuously we set boundaries for ourselves, there’s always the possibility of something deeply repellent lurking inside of us. As Noah Cross tells Jake Gittes in Chinatown “You see, Mr. Gittes, most people never have to face the fact that at the right time and the right place, they're capable of ANYTHING.” You can have your chainsawed co-eds and popping eyeballs; to me, what takes place in this film is truly terrifying. And THIS is the real HANGOVER.

Which brings me back to the beginning of this response. Serbian Film is one of the strongest portraits of dehumanization in modern film. But it’s also a harsh indictment of pornography, showcasing its dehumanizing effects and the logical end result of those effects being pushed to their extreme. And it’s perfectly fitting that it would address these issue in such a distasteful manner, because the world we live in is so awash in these matters that we often don’t stop to look them in the face.

As most of you know, I’m no prude. But it disturbs me that we live in a culture that celebrates the increasing sexualization of young women. In many ways, the Britney Spears marketing machine opened this Pandora’s Box; remember that infamous Rolling Stone cover with the 15-year old pop queen splayed on her bed, top wide open and seductive look on her face? Go look at a standard pre-teen clothing catalog some time and see how explicit some of the outifits are. And let’s not stop there, because we’re in a golden age of women being treated as sex objects in the media. It’s not 1970 anymore; pornography is now ingrained in our collective consciousness, and the internet has only accelerated the rate of consumption and desensitization. Want proof? Check out this New York Magazine article from earlier this year, which details the growing trend of men who aren’t able to achieve orgasm with their lovers because their minds have been so warped by porn.

And violence? Go log onto YouTube and see how many cell phone videos of bloody brawls you see. Watch how numb the crowds cheering on these fights are, all of them holding up their phones for yet another mediated thrill, another last desperate attempt to find something more extreme to jerk off to. One of the critiques that my friends had about the film was that they never experience a full suspension of disbelief throughout its running time. My answer was “that’s the point.” After all, it’s no mistake that there are so many shots of people being filmed by others, or that Milos experiences so much of the dawning horror of his actions through the viewfinder of his video camera.

And it’s not just the internet. Remember Gulf War 1, the first modern television war? When viewers could stare in rapt attention at POV shots of missiles destroying buildings (and whatever or whoever else was inside)? Or the constant violent images that we see on the news? Or the proliferation of no consequences violence that has plagues cinema screens since the ‘80s?

Don’t get me wrong: I’m not on a crusade to end violence and pornography. Violence on film is often a cathartic experience, a part of the thrill ride, or, in the hands of a Sam Peckinpah, a deeply thrilling and disturbing and morally complex experience. Pornography can be a raw and honest expression of human sexuality (see Alan Moore’s Lost Girls.) But the barrage of images and thoughts that we as modern humans are bombarded with can’t help but have a desensitizing and dehumanizing effect.

And this is why I found Serbian Film to be so powerful. Yes, it’s a primal scream against the oppression of the Serbian government. But it also offers a harsh look at a post-modern world where we are all a bit more used to these dark matters than before, offering an answer to our numbness that is designed to shock us into recognition of the dark side of areas that we too often take for granted. It’s an extreme allegory, but often, extreme times demand such a thing.

To answer some individual concerns, yes, I was well aware of the nasty content of the film. That’s why Bruce and I issued multiple warnings beforehand, both in the press release and at the event. This film has been making its rounds long enough that anyone buying a ticket to this Marathon had every opportunity to see what lied ahead. I find criticisms of my booking this film as evidence of my lack of moral fiber to be insulting. Yes, I realized the effect it might have on members of the audience, hence the multiple warnings. And yes, I think that the child rape featured in the film was absolutely horrifying. But I also found the violence in Irreversible and Martyrs to be absolutely horrifying.

And no, just because we have shown more extreme films (one per Marathon) over the last three years doesn’t mean that they’ll become a permanent part of the Marathon’s film slate. Nor does booking Serbian Film suddenly turn Bruce and I into degenerate smut peddlers or child molesters who can now no longer be trusted with your children and families. We presented one film that was more extreme than anything we’d shown in the past. One film, the message of which should be highly obvious by this point. One film about which we issued stern warnings. One film out of twelve. If there are some of you who now think that the booking of this one film means that we have thrown open the door to booking snuff or non-stop rapefests, or that we’ll suddenly spring extreme porn on your children, then I’m sorry. You’re wrong. And I’m somewhat offended by this slam on the character of Bruce and me. We’ve collectively spent 25 years building our reputation, and to suddenly negate that reputation because of one film is both unfair and ridiculous.


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My big issue with showing films that extreme is that there are still children that attend the marathons. I was 13 when I went o my first one in 1989 and I don't think I could've handled ASF at that age or even now. My friend took her teenage boys to the marathon for the first time this year and I warned them about ASF, so they sat it out. Unfortunately, the boys were so tired when the movie ended, they went home instead of finishing the marathon. Thankfully they loved it and want to return with their friends in the future. Maybe it should have played last, so those diehards could stay and everyone else could get 2 extra hours of sleep.


This is the other point that I meant to address, and it ties into the Post-Mortem thread. The projection problems at the Grandview are an large and ongoing frustration for us all. Case in point: this screening. If things had run fairly smooth, SERBIAN FILM would've played around 9, and your friend's boys (I spoke with her, by the way) could've returned for some of the other fare. But because of the projection problems, SERBIAN FILM was pushed back to 11pm, which gave people less opportunity to roam the neighborhood and amplified the shell shock associated with the film. I'd wager to say that if it had screened at 9, some of those who were most disturbed might've had more time to recover...although this is highly speculative.


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I honesty can't figure out how the horror marathon is appropriate for kids without ASF. I don't believe The House of Devil is appropriate for anyone under 14. Same with Hellraiser, Flesh for Frankenstein or maybe even the Beyond for that matter. Not to mention the countless violent trailers (that Canniabal one is really disturbing) some with unexpected nudity. I know it's subjective and I may be a little more protective of my kid then some would be but I can't imagine how it's ok for a kid to be at most of this. The two kids behind me during The House of the Devil were talking during the whole thing because of their nervousness and inability to process what they were seeing. I didn't think they were nearly old enough. You knew playing a film this challenging and explicit would drive some people away. It really shouldn't surprise anyone that it has, child rape is a line most people aren't prepared to cross. It also killed the momentum of the marathon dead for others. Overall i'm surprised so many took it so well. Even so for the life of me I can't figure out why you would stay and watch this after all the easily accesible press about it and the constant warning from Joe. All you had to do was not watch it and return after to enjoy the rest of the marathon like I did. You were warned repeatedly!!


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I would like to preface this by saying I did not attend the event, nor have I seen ASF.

It sounds like Joe and Bruce fairly handle the screening of the film. In the press it was expressed how extreme the film's content was, on the website the content was discussed in detail on the forum pages, and it sounds like there was even more than one announcement about the disturbing content of the film at the actual event. Then in addition, you could walk out of the film at any time if you felt uncomfortable.

I would hope one film out of the hundreds of films that have been screened at these events would not cause someone to never return. That would be a shame because I really think the marathon is something special. Think of all the great times. The special guests - Stuart Gordon, Bruce Campbell, Joe Bob Briggs, to name a few of recent past. Think of the premieres that have played. The rare film prints. The live scores....I mean you can't watch Cabinet of Dr. Caligari at home with a live score!

Honestly, I knew this film would be controversial, but never thought it would "destroy" the enjoyment of the marathon for some or cause people to boycott returning. I have to admit, that I am now more curious than ever to see the film. I only wish I could have made it to the event myself. I had not seen either of the premieres. Would have loved to seen Caligari with live music. It would have been great to see one of my favorite American horror films of the past 5 years, The House of the Devil, on the big screen. To see Flesh For Frankenstein with one of the best audiences in the US! To see Goke for the first time (have to catch that on video). To see Vincent Price in all his purplish reddish glory! To revisit The Hitcher which I have not seen for over 20 years. I am sorry I missed the event. If some decide to not return, I hope years down the road you can look back on the event with fondness and not hold on to the one memory which spoiled it for you.

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Joe has pretty much said everything I wanted to say, and has said it more eloquently than I could. Here are a few extra points I want to make:

1) I am genuinely sorry if anyone was so upset by this film that they don't intend to return to the marathon. I thought that people were warned well in advance of the film and its content. I don't know what else could be done, short of ordering people to get up and leave. "GO NOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!" What else could they do? How many times does a person have to be warned about a film's content before they take the hint? If you are sensitive to extreme images, DON'T WATCH EXTREME HORROR FILMS. What's not to understand about this?

2) I expected the film to be controversial, and I certainly did not expect everyone to like the film. I did not expect people to write off the Marathons in general because of one film. Had I known people were going to react in that way, I would have said, "you know what, maybe you should just show Last House on the Left instead." I didn't know people were going to watch the film not knowing anything about it and flip out. I gave our audience a little more credit than that. Perhaps I shouldn't have. My mistake.

3) I do believe that people should be informed about a film they watch beforehand, especially if they are sensitive to certain subjects and images. That doesn't mean you have to spoil the entire film for yourself, but you should at least find out about what kind of film you are going to be watching. That is easier to do than ever thanks to the Internet. Think of it this way: if a film you knew nothing about was playing at a theater near you, would you buy a ticket and watch it having no idea of what you were going to be seeing? Even if the film was unrated? I don't know anyone who would do that, regardless of what the film's content was. I knew very little about Midnight Son, but I found out enough to be able to say, "OK, it's an indie vampire movie. Got it." So I assumed there would be some violence and images of biting, blood, etc. All you have to do is run a Google search for A Serbian Film and you can find out exactly what the film is about. If you can't take 5 minutes to inform yourself about the films that are showing, then you can't blame others for showing you a film you didn't want to see.

4) Obviously children should not be watching A Serbian Film. I don't really understand people who bring small children to the horror marathon anyway. For part of the marathon I was sitting next to two children who couldn't have been more than 10, and here they are watching Greta Gerwig's head being blown off. I don't blame Joe and Bruce for that, I blame the person who thought it was wise to bring them to a horror marathon. I have a nephew who is 14, and I think I would wait a couple of years before bringing him to a horror marathon. I certainly would not let him watch A Serbian Film or Martyrs or Irreversible. Once he is 17, he can make his own decisions about what to watch. He has seen several R-rated films of course, but nothing that would scar him for life. All I'm saying is, let's have some common sense when it comes to kids. If any underage kids saw A Serbian Film, don't blame Joe for that, blame the adults they came with who didn't usher them out of the theater before the film started.

5) If people choose not to come to the marathons any more, I'm sorry to hear that but that is their choice. Again, no one was forced to watch A Serbian Film. The audience was warned several times. Joe and Bruce have not exhibited pornography or child porn at the marathon. They chose to show a controversial film and they made every effort to warn people about its content. If you chose not to heed those warnings (or to find out about the film on your own), I don't feel that is their fault. It's not their job to cover your eyes for you. Make your own decisions about what to watch as responsible adults. Don't rely on others to make those decisions for you.


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[quote="WolfNC17"]4) Obviously children should not be watching A Serbian Film. I don't really understand people who bring small children to the horror marathon anyway. For part of the marathon I was sitting next to two children who couldn't have been more than 10, and here they are watching Greta Gerwig's head being blown off. I don't blame Joe and Bruce for that, I blame the person who thought it was wise to bring them to a horror marathon. I have a nephew who is 14, and I think I would wait a couple of years before bringing him to a horror marathon. I certainly would not let him watch A Serbian Film or Martyrs or Irreversible. Once he is 17, he can make his own decisions about what to watch. He has seen several R-rated films of course, but nothing that would scar him for life. All I'm saying is, let's have some common sense when it comes to kids. If any underage kids saw A Serbian Film, don't blame Joe for that, blame the adults they came with who didn't usher them out of the theater before the film started.quote]

In all technicality, the movies are rated R or NC-17 and kids under 17 shouldn't be watching unless they're accompanied by an adult. Personally, I don't believe children under 16 should be admitted but that's just my opinion. Over the past few years, I've made it a point with my nephews that when they turn 16, if their parents allow them to go, they can join the team. I noticed those two little boys as well and thought it was incredibly irresponsible of the parents but it's no more irresponsible than parents buying video games that clearly depict (more) violent images for their kids. This isn't a good parent, bad parent rant, just an observation from someone who has 5 siblings, 4 of which have children.

I go back to Joe's thought, "buyer beware". We were more than warned....In fact, prior to each movie, Joe and Bruce provided a warning of A Serbian Film, don't be upset with them because YOU MADE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION TO IGNORE THE WARNING. This really reminds of the the tragedy in California this past Summer when 3 hikers ignored a warning while trying to capture a photo near a waterfall. The sign read, WARNING: STRONG CURRENT WILL PUSH YOU OVER THE FALL AND YOU WILL DIE!

I don't believe this is the path the marathon is heading but personally, I like the challange. Don't get me wrong, I found the movie respulsive, disgusting, deplorable, but I still find myself defending it and the decision to show it. I think the people who are saying, "this is my last thon" are overreacting and are hoping for a reaction (i.e. Oh please don't go, we value your opinion). Plus, I believe that they were looking for any reason not to come anymore and ASF just solidified that decision.


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